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* TBD | * Jason has a quote for Tekscan for software ($2,500, updated version). Tekscan provided documentation for external triggering but they did not provide pricing. Jason also asked for a calibration device. Tekscan is under Morgan's ownership. Matt Kuklis from his group will be approached for cost sharing. Sensors are assumed to be about $400. BioRobotics Testing Core can do cost sharing. We need to make a list of what we need. Jason will make the list and ask specific quotes for each of these, including the trigger. The trigger can be as simple as sending or receiving 5V input. * Jason needs to follow-up with coordinate system alignment of images. * All components of the transportation device is ready for trial imaging. The velcro fitting needs to be conducted. Craig may need to take pictures and place them in the wiki. Jason will setup the test session and talk to Craig about getting the setup. Snehal will show where the knee is. All pieces for testing device is under Snehal's desk. All material test pieces is in the robot room. Tara knows where the materials and know what is what. Snehal will send a picture of it to Jason. Jason may need to follow up with Carl Winalski about imaging. It may be wiser to get the second round of trial images than go over the image sets with Carl Winalski. An urgent need is the organization and additional documentation in imaging specifications page. * Robb raised the issue of timing of manufacturing components for placing Optotrak markers during joint testing. The material has not been decided yet, awaiting for the second round of trial imaging. * Timing of manufacturing tissue components were discussed. We need to make sure that while we are waiting for the machine (8 weeks from order), we take care of all these components. Robb will make a list of all accessories needed. For temperature control of the environment, there is a controller box to maintain temperature by heating the bath. A circulation system is a possibility for convection induced heating. * Snehal and Tara met and discuss preparation of tissue samples and update the wiki page. This provides adequate documentation on preparation. Tara will put images on. Others will review the document. There are no information on putting the specimen on clamps, that can be part of testing procedures or may be inserted in specimen preparation. Ahmet will review this. Tara and Snehal can edit it and then everyone can review. * Ahmet pointed out the Specimen Specifications page to Snehal and Tara to list tissue specimens. Asked Snehal and Tara to check the list, and insert sample numbers. Relational database. * Jason did not have a chance to do the comparison of mechanics between intact and skin removed specimens under same loading conditions. To evaluate the mechanical role of skin and surrounding tissue. Tara has the data. Plots of 6 kinematic and 6 kinetic metrics need to be delivered to assess raw data.May be document in the wiki? Is this a possibility for an abstract to the wiki. Tara thinks that there are four specimens tested in another project in this regard. If there is a need, we may need to do it again. Should we keep the skin or not for Open Knee specimen preparation. * Infrastructure page needs to be updated to provide testing machine specifications for reference. About the document on data structures, abridged document refers to description of data structures that only have relevance to knee. Robb will provide the document in full form as it is updated. Ahmet can help shorten for Open Knee(s) by removing parts that are not relevant. The abridged version is aimed to be more accessible by easing navigation. * Ahmet reorganized the front page of the wiki to guide users and developers, separately. Ahmet described the team this organization. * Joint testing specification had some remaining questions for the team members to address. Tara provided some information on joint experimentation data. Ahmet needs to provide links in the joint testing specifications page to direct reader to data structure documents in the infrastructure page, which also incorporate Optotrak related information. The document is ready for a final review by team members. Ahmet will disseminate the page in a similar fashion as the specimen specifications page. Along with specimen and imaging specifications, he is planning to submit the links to Biomch-L for community review. |
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* TBD | * Specimen acquisition will be followed up by Tara. There are a few candidate specimens that need to be evaluated for purchase. * Purchasing process of tissue testing device will be followed up by Ahmet through Izzy Delgado-Dembie of the Department of Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic. * Also see Immediate Action Items above. |
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* Need for a data server? | * Naming conventions for knee specimens and tissue samples were discussed. Fundemental issues are establishing relation between tissue samples and knee specimens and managing multiple knees. Snehal pointed out the need for documentation to track specimens. The moment we decide to use a knee specimen, the specimen will be numbered, e.g. OKS 001, and there will be a specific wiki page to describe the specimen. All child tissue samples may be listed in there as well. Tissue labels may need to be associated with metadata describing what type of specimen they are, maybe in separate wiki pages, similar to the knee specimen. The labeling should not be strongly associated with certain location of the tissue. The metadata should link the label to detailed information. Whenever there is a specimen, a wiki page can host all specimen metadata. The documentation of the specimen should evolve in the wiki as the experimentation goes on. Utmost importance is the labeling of the sample and a note in the wiki describing specimen in association with the label. Specification of tissue samples may need to include taking of pictures. These pictures can be included in the wiki as part of specimen/sample page. Every sample should have adequate metadata in specimen/sample wiki page describing where that sample came from, which anatomical data, and pictures. The metadata for specimens should also include where the remains of the samples are so that one can conduct additional tests, e.g. histology. * Specifications for data management seem to be necessary. A link for such a page exist for prospective development of this information. How do we label the specimen? How do we put metadata for the specimen? How do we associate the data with specimens/samples? How all these activities fit into management of source code repository or a data serve that can host the data? |
Recurring Meeting of Cleveland Clinic Core Team
Date: January 7, 2014
Time: 10:30 AM EST
Means: In person meeting
Attendees:
- Ahmet Erdemir
- Jason Halloran
- Snehal Chokhandre
- Robb Colbrunn
- Tara Bonner
Agenda:
- Discuss tasks progress.
- Discuss immediate action items from last two meetings.
- Reassign Snehal's responsibilities to team members for the next month.
- Decide tasks for the next meeting.
- Other.
Immediate Action Items:
- Jason
- Make a list of all Tekscan related components (and their prospective price) for purchase through cost sharing with other groups.
- Evaluate coordinate system alignment between different imaging protocols of the same cadaver knee.
- Provide notes for the meeting minutes during Snehal's absence.
- Setup second imaging test session.
- Ahmet
- Provide notes for this meeting minutes.
- Review draft of tissue preparation sections of specimen preparation page.
- Tara
- Follow up with specimen pre-order evaluation and purchases.
- Robb
- Make a list of testing accessories to build for support of prospective testing machine.
- Robb and Tara
- Utilize previous knee joint testing to quantify the influence of skin and surrounding tissue on joint kinematic-kinetic response.
- Provide general description of testing equipment along with sampling frequency, resolution, range, etc.
- Craig
- Complete velcro installation on transportation device prototype and provide pictures.
- Update and organize imaging specifications page.
- Craig and Jason
- Evaluate the transportation device prototype.
- All
- Review specimen preparation and registration page.
- Review joint experimentation page.
Notes:
- Discuss tasks progress.
- TBD
- Discuss immediate action items from last two meetings.
Jason has a quote for Tekscan for software ($2,500, updated version). Tekscan provided documentation for external triggering but they did not provide pricing. Jason also asked for a calibration device. Tekscan is under Morgan's ownership. Matt Kuklis from his group will be approached for cost sharing. Sensors are assumed to be about $400. BioRobotics Testing Core can do cost sharing. We need to make a list of what we need. Jason will make the list and ask specific quotes for each of these, including the trigger. The trigger can be as simple as sending or receiving 5V input.
- Jason needs to follow-up with coordinate system alignment of images.
- All components of the transportation device is ready for trial imaging. The velcro fitting needs to be conducted. Craig may need to take pictures and place them in the wiki. Jason will setup the test session and talk to Craig about getting the setup. Snehal will show where the knee is. All pieces for testing device is under Snehal's desk. All material test pieces is in the robot room. Tara knows where the materials and know what is what. Snehal will send a picture of it to Jason. Jason may need to follow up with Carl Winalski about imaging. It may be wiser to get the second round of trial images than go over the image sets with Carl Winalski. An urgent need is the organization and additional documentation in imaging specifications page.
- Robb raised the issue of timing of manufacturing components for placing Optotrak markers during joint testing. The material has not been decided yet, awaiting for the second round of trial imaging.
- Timing of manufacturing tissue components were discussed. We need to make sure that while we are waiting for the machine (8 weeks from order), we take care of all these components. Robb will make a list of all accessories needed. For temperature control of the environment, there is a controller box to maintain temperature by heating the bath. A circulation system is a possibility for convection induced heating.
- Snehal and Tara met and discuss preparation of tissue samples and update the wiki page. This provides adequate documentation on preparation. Tara will put images on. Others will review the document. There are no information on putting the specimen on clamps, that can be part of testing procedures or may be inserted in specimen preparation. Ahmet will review this. Tara and Snehal can edit it and then everyone can review.
- Ahmet pointed out the Specimen Specifications page to Snehal and Tara to list tissue specimens. Asked Snehal and Tara to check the list, and insert sample numbers. Relational database.
- Jason did not have a chance to do the comparison of mechanics between intact and skin removed specimens under same loading conditions. To evaluate the mechanical role of skin and surrounding tissue. Tara has the data. Plots of 6 kinematic and 6 kinetic metrics need to be delivered to assess raw data.May be document in the wiki? Is this a possibility for an abstract to the wiki. Tara thinks that there are four specimens tested in another project in this regard. If there is a need, we may need to do it again. Should we keep the skin or not for Open Knee specimen preparation.
- Infrastructure page needs to be updated to provide testing machine specifications for reference. About the document on data structures, abridged document refers to description of data structures that only have relevance to knee. Robb will provide the document in full form as it is updated. Ahmet can help shorten for Open Knee(s) by removing parts that are not relevant. The abridged version is aimed to be more accessible by easing navigation.
- Ahmet reorganized the front page of the wiki to guide users and developers, separately. Ahmet described the team this organization.
- Joint testing specification had some remaining questions for the team members to address. Tara provided some information on joint experimentation data. Ahmet needs to provide links in the joint testing specifications page to direct reader to data structure documents in the infrastructure page, which also incorporate Optotrak related information. The document is ready for a final review by team members. Ahmet will disseminate the page in a similar fashion as the specimen specifications page. Along with specimen and imaging specifications, he is planning to submit the links to Biomch-L for community review.
- Reassign Snehal's responsibilities to team members for the next month.
- Specimen acquisition will be followed up by Tara. There are a few candidate specimens that need to be evaluated for purchase.
- Purchasing process of tissue testing device will be followed up by Ahmet through Izzy Delgado-Dembie of the Department of Biomedical Engineering, Cleveland Clinic.
- Also see Immediate Action Items above.
- Decide tasks for the next meeting.
- See Immediate Action Items above.
- Other.
- Naming conventions for knee specimens and tissue samples were discussed. Fundemental issues are establishing relation between tissue samples and knee specimens and managing multiple knees. Snehal pointed out the need for documentation to track specimens. The moment we decide to use a knee specimen, the specimen will be numbered, e.g. OKS 001, and there will be a specific wiki page to describe the specimen. All child tissue samples may be listed in there as well. Tissue labels may need to be associated with metadata describing what type of specimen they are, maybe in separate wiki pages, similar to the knee specimen. The labeling should not be strongly associated with certain location of the tissue. The metadata should link the label to detailed information. Whenever there is a specimen, a wiki page can host all specimen metadata. The documentation of the specimen should evolve in the wiki as the experimentation goes on. Utmost importance is the labeling of the sample and a note in the wiki describing specimen in association with the label. Specification of tissue samples may need to include taking of pictures. These pictures can be included in the wiki as part of specimen/sample page. Every sample should have adequate metadata in specimen/sample wiki page describing where that sample came from, which anatomical data, and pictures. The metadata for specimens should also include where the remains of the samples are so that one can conduct additional tests, e.g. histology.
- Specifications for data management seem to be necessary. A link for such a page exist for prospective development of this information. How do we label the specimen? How do we put metadata for the specimen? How do we associate the data with specimens/samples? How all these activities fit into management of source code repository or a data serve that can host the data?