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 2. Update on anatomical imaging.
 3. Evaluation of readiness for mechanical joint testing.
 4. Decide immediate action items for the next meeting.
 5. Other.

 1. Update on anatomical imaging.
 1. Evaluation of readiness for mechanical joint testing.
 1. Decide immediate action items for the next meeting.
 1. Other.
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 * Ahmet
  * Redo the workflow illustration for specimen preparation for transport to the imaging facility.
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   * Work on resolving the gravity compensation issue for the robot.   * Work on resolving the gravity compensation issue for the robot.
 * Jason
  * Receive relative coordinates of divots and centers of spheres of the patella marker assembly as designed.
 * Tara and Dylan
  * Summarize measurement of divots and sphere centers in patella marker assembly.
  * Reorganize the specimen preparation page to reflect the discussion.
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  * Update tissue data labeling content to reflect discussion from last meeting.
  * Compare DESS and T1 iso with fat suppression image sets before the next trial imaging session to make sure using T1 iso would be better for cartilage.
 * Jason
   * Receive relative coordinates of divots and centers of spheres of the patella marker assembly as designed.
 * Tara and Dylan
   * Summarize measurement of divots and sphere centers in patella marker assembly.
   * Reorganize the specimen preparation page to reflect the discussion.
 * Ahmet
   * Redo the workflow illustration for specimen preparation for transport to the imaging facility.
  * Update tissue data labeling content to reflect discussion from last meeting.
  * Compare DESS and T1 iso with fat suppression image sets before the next trial imaging session to make sure using T1 iso would be better for cartilage.
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  * Update 'joint testing coordinate system registration' task progress.   * Update "joint testing coordinate system registration" task progress.
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   * Tara updated the group on the robot setup.
      * One issue is the gravity compensation and the other is mechanical with the robot and Mikrolar engineers are visiting on the 24th of March. Part of the issue may be software related but this is yet to be determined.
      * Testing will need to be contingent on resolving these issues.
      * Tara is leaving town for three weeks and Robb will be the point of contact to schedule the testing.
      * Tara will be working on the gravity compensation this week.
    * Snehal provided the initial labeling convention for the wiki.
      * She transferred what she had during last weeks meeting and the details need to be edited to reflect the conversation from last week.
      *
Essentially, the tissue location will be split from the tissue type and the loading will be removed from the tissue label. That way, the specimen and the test (and resulting data) will be separated.
      * Related, we discussed possible approaches to labeling data such as images. At the very least, a searchable file structure should allow a user to be directed to all the images. Beyond that, images could be labeled with greater detail (samples, location, associated data, etc.) but this will be decided on as we progress.
      *
Snehal summarized her current approach and Craig and Snehal will summarize a potential approach for this type of data.
      *
Of note, capturing images should be an integral part of the protocol. Tara proposed an approach to relate protocol steps with acquired images where a “dummy” image is taken between each step to delineate the image sets.
      * Also, Snehal's current approach to sample imaging should be documented as it is likely the starting point for this discussion.
    * Snehal also updated the information from the last imaging trial session and summarized our next imaging session for this upcoming Thursday. Details below.
  
* Snehal and Ahmet will meet to discuss the tissue testing needs/plan and the associated collaboration with Rami Korhonen's student visit (Elvis).
    * The patella marker was received. We need to obtain an image set of the marker in order to relate the divots to the spheres. Dylan performed repeated trials of mounting the marker to the base plug as well as repeated (10 trial) of probing the divots. This should help establish the anticipated error in relating the probed points to the sphere centers. An immediate action item was created to complete this task.
    * Ahmet, Snehal, and Jason met to update the specimen preparation page.
      * An outline was created that reflects the steps as the CoBi Core team understands.
      * Tara was asked to read and verify the steps. First impressions are the thawing time needs to increase, especially for a whole leg.
      *
An option is to leave the specimen wrapped and let it thaw for 36 to 48 hours. As she has the most experience, Tara will develop a documented approach to thawing the specimens.
      * The zip tie approach for constraining the tissue during testing should also be documented.
      * Snehal asked about potential changes to the Optotrak setup during testing (e.g. a shift in the world coordinate system) and what happens if that is found to be the case. The world system could be re-established and Tara also noted that we might want to probe a known point, and maybe the world zero, before and after the testing.
      * Tara and Robb have experience putting the quadriceps tendon clamp. For the loads we will be testing, liquid nitrogen should also be used to ensure the clamp does not move during testing.
      * Tara generally agreed the workflow looks good though she will take a closer look.
   
* Related, Tara's task list is growing this week and under Tara's direction Dylan may help organize the joint testing prep pages to reflect the current workflow. This also will help train Dylan on the general approach to joint testing.
    * An aside, the flowchart for the specimen preparation for transport needs updating (at least the numbering). Ahmet was assigned the this as a task.

 2. Update on anatomical imaging.
 
* Craig will take another quick look at the DESS and T1 iso (with fat suppression) in order to make sure we can be informed during the next imaging test session.
   * Snehal and Jason will prep the knee at 9 am on Thursday. If possible, the patella marker (that was printed by MDS) will be mounted on the patella. If the marker plus the knee is too large it will be taped to the specimen in order the evaluate whether the spheres are MRI opaque. Note, the example knee is a particularly large specimen.
   * When viewing the images we discussed noting the contrast. This may affect our conclusions about what image settings should be utilized for the testing.

 3
. Evaluation of readiness for mechanical joint testing.

    * This general topic was already discussed. To summarize, gravity compensation and the Mikrolar mechanical issue (which may in fact be software related), are the two pending items. The task list in the task manager tool was reviewed. This list will be updated as everything becomes resolved. We'll verify this list during the next meeting with Robb.

 4. Decide immediate action items for the next meeting.
  
* Immediate action items were reviewed and agreed upon.

 5. Other.
    * An immediate action item for Robb and Jason was added to make sure the approach for pressure equilibration and calibration is documented on the wiki.
  * Tara updated the group on the robot setup for joint testing.
   * One issue with the robotics testing is related to gravity compensation for measurement of forces and the other is mechanical. Tara will be working on the gravity compensation this week. Mikrolar Inc. engineers are visiting on March 24, 2014 to troubleshoot the system for mechanical issues. These may be software related but this is yet to be determined. Testing will need to be contingent on resolving these issues.
   * Tara is leaving town for three weeks and Robb will be the point of contact to schedule the testing.
  * Snehal provided the initial labeling convention for the wiki.
   * She transferred the information she provided in the last week's meeting to the wiki.
The details need to be added reflect the conversation from last week. Essentially, for specimen labeling, the tissue location will be split from the tissue type and the loading type will be removed from the label. That way, the specimen and the test (and resulting data) will be separated and association can be established by sample label.
   * Related, we discussed possible approaches to labeling data such as photos. At the very least, a searchable file structure should allow a user to be directed to all the images. Beyond that, images could be labeled with greater detail (samples, location, associated data, etc.) but this will be decided on as we progress. Snehal summarized her current approach to the team and Craig and Snehal will summarize a potential approach for this type of data. Of note, capturing photos should be an integral part of the protocol. Tara proposed an approach to relate protocol steps with acquired images where a “dummy” picture is taken between each step to delineate the image sets. Snehal's current approach to sample imaging should be documented as it is likely the starting point for this discussion.
  * Snehal also updated the information from the last imaging trial session and summarized our next imaging session for this upcoming Thursday. Details are provided below.
  * Snehal and Ahmet will meet to discuss the tissue testing needs/plan and the associated collaboration with Rami Korhonen's student visit (Elvis Danso).
  * The patella registration marker assembly was received. We need to obtain an image set of the marker in order to relate the divots to the spheres. Dylan performed repeated trials of mounting the marker to the base plug as well as repeated (10 trial) of probing the divots. This should help establish the anticipated error in relating the probed points to the sphere centers. An immediate action item was created to complete this task.
  * Ahmet, Snehal, and Jason met to update the specimen preparation page. An outline was created that reflects the steps as the CoBi Core team understands.
   * Tara was asked to read and verify the steps. Tara generally agreed the workflow looks good though she will take a closer look.
   * First impression is that the thawing time needs to increase, especially for the whole leg. An option is to leave the specimen wrapped and let it thaw for 36 to 48 hours. As she has the most experience, Tara will develop a documented approach to thawing the specimens.
   * The zip tie approach for constraining the tissue, e.g. fibula, during testing should also be documented.
   * Snehal asked about potential changes to the Optotrak setup during testing, i.e. a shift in the world coordinate system as a result of recalibration, and what happens if that is found to be the case. The world system could be re-established and Tara also noted that we might want to probe known points, and maybe the world zero, before and after the testing.
   * Tara and Robb have experience using the quadriceps tendon clamp. For the loads we will be testing, liquid nitrogen should be used to ensure the clamp is securely attached to the tendon.
   * Related, Tara's task list is growing this week and under Tara's direction Dylan may help organize the joint testing prep pages to reflect the current workflow. This also will help train Dylan on the general approach to joint testing.
 1. Update on anatomical imaging.
  * Craig will take another quick look at the DESS and T1 iso (with fat suppression) in order to make sure we can be informed during the next imaging test session.
  * Snehal and Jason will prepare the knee at 9 am on Thursday. If possible, the patella registration marker assembly (printed by MDS) will be mounted on the patella. If the marker assembly and the knee is too large, it will be taped to the specimen in order the evaluate whether the spheres are MRI opaque. Note that the test knee is a particularly large specimen.
  * Image contrast were discussed. This may affect our conclusions about what image settings should be utilized for the testing.
  * An aside
, the flowchart for specimen preparation for transport to the imaging facility needs updating (at least the numbering). Ahmet was assigned to this task.
 1. Evaluation of readiness for mechanical joint testing.
  * This general topic was already discussed (see above). To summarize, gravity compensation and the mechanical issue (which may in fact be software related) are the two pending items. The task list in the task manager tool was reviewed. This list will be updated as everything becomes resolved. We'll verify this list during the next meeting with Robb.
  * An immediate action item for Robb and Jason was added to make sure the approach for pressure equilibration and calibration is documented on the wiki.
 1. Decide immediate action items for the next meeting.
  * Action items were re
viewed and agreed upon. See Immediate Action Items above.
 1. Other.
   * None noted.

Recurring Meeting of Cleveland Clinic Core Team

Date: March 18, 2014

Time: 10:30 AM EST

Means: In person meeting

Attendees:

  1. Jason Halloran
  2. Craig Bennetts
  3. Snehal Chokhandre
  4. Tara Bonner
  5. Cara Sullivan

Agenda:

  1. Discuss immediate action items from the last meeting.
  2. Update on anatomical imaging.
  3. Evaluation of readiness for mechanical joint testing.
  4. Decide immediate action items for the next meeting.
  5. Other.

Immediate Action Items:

  • Ahmet
    • Redo the workflow illustration for specimen preparation for transport to the imaging facility.
  • Tara
    • Work on resolving the gravity compensation issue for the robot.
  • Jason
    • Receive relative coordinates of divots and centers of spheres of the patella marker assembly as designed.
  • Tara and Dylan
    • Summarize measurement of divots and sphere centers in patella marker assembly.
    • Reorganize the specimen preparation page to reflect the discussion.
  • Craig and Snehal
    • Update tissue data labeling content to reflect discussion from last meeting.
    • Compare DESS and T1 iso with fat suppression image sets before the next trial imaging session to make sure using T1 iso would be better for cartilage.
  • Robb and Tara
    • Update "joint testing coordinate system registration" task progress.
  • Robb and Jason
    • Update the pressure calibration routine on Wiki.
  • Ahmet and Snehal
    • Meet this week to discuss tissue testing plan.

Notes:

  1. Discuss immediate action items from the last meeting.
    • Tara updated the group on the robot setup for joint testing.
      • One issue with the robotics testing is related to gravity compensation for measurement of forces and the other is mechanical. Tara will be working on the gravity compensation this week. Mikrolar Inc. engineers are visiting on March 24, 2014 to troubleshoot the system for mechanical issues. These may be software related but this is yet to be determined. Testing will need to be contingent on resolving these issues.
      • Tara is leaving town for three weeks and Robb will be the point of contact to schedule the testing.
    • Snehal provided the initial labeling convention for the wiki.
      • She transferred the information she provided in the last week's meeting to the wiki. The details need to be added reflect the conversation from last week. Essentially, for specimen labeling, the tissue location will be split from the tissue type and the loading type will be removed from the label. That way, the specimen and the test (and resulting data) will be separated and association can be established by sample label.
      • Related, we discussed possible approaches to labeling data such as photos. At the very least, a searchable file structure should allow a user to be directed to all the images. Beyond that, images could be labeled with greater detail (samples, location, associated data, etc.) but this will be decided on as we progress. Snehal summarized her current approach to the team and Craig and Snehal will summarize a potential approach for this type of data. Of note, capturing photos should be an integral part of the protocol. Tara proposed an approach to relate protocol steps with acquired images where a “dummy” picture is taken between each step to delineate the image sets. Snehal's current approach to sample imaging should be documented as it is likely the starting point for this discussion.
    • Snehal also updated the information from the last imaging trial session and summarized our next imaging session for this upcoming Thursday. Details are provided below.
    • Snehal and Ahmet will meet to discuss the tissue testing needs/plan and the associated collaboration with Rami Korhonen's student visit (Elvis Danso).
    • The patella registration marker assembly was received. We need to obtain an image set of the marker in order to relate the divots to the spheres. Dylan performed repeated trials of mounting the marker to the base plug as well as repeated (10 trial) of probing the divots. This should help establish the anticipated error in relating the probed points to the sphere centers. An immediate action item was created to complete this task.
    • Ahmet, Snehal, and Jason met to update the specimen preparation page. An outline was created that reflects the steps as the CoBi Core team understands.

      • Tara was asked to read and verify the steps. Tara generally agreed the workflow looks good though she will take a closer look.
      • First impression is that the thawing time needs to increase, especially for the whole leg. An option is to leave the specimen wrapped and let it thaw for 36 to 48 hours. As she has the most experience, Tara will develop a documented approach to thawing the specimens.
      • The zip tie approach for constraining the tissue, e.g. fibula, during testing should also be documented.
      • Snehal asked about potential changes to the Optotrak setup during testing, i.e. a shift in the world coordinate system as a result of recalibration, and what happens if that is found to be the case. The world system could be re-established and Tara also noted that we might want to probe known points, and maybe the world zero, before and after the testing.
      • Tara and Robb have experience using the quadriceps tendon clamp. For the loads we will be testing, liquid nitrogen should be used to ensure the clamp is securely attached to the tendon.
      • Related, Tara's task list is growing this week and under Tara's direction Dylan may help organize the joint testing prep pages to reflect the current workflow. This also will help train Dylan on the general approach to joint testing.
  2. Update on anatomical imaging.
    • Craig will take another quick look at the DESS and T1 iso (with fat suppression) in order to make sure we can be informed during the next imaging test session.
    • Snehal and Jason will prepare the knee at 9 am on Thursday. If possible, the patella registration marker assembly (printed by MDS) will be mounted on the patella. If the marker assembly and the knee is too large, it will be taped to the specimen in order the evaluate whether the spheres are MRI opaque. Note that the test knee is a particularly large specimen.
    • Image contrast were discussed. This may affect our conclusions about what image settings should be utilized for the testing.
    • An aside, the flowchart for specimen preparation for transport to the imaging facility needs updating (at least the numbering). Ahmet was assigned to this task.
  3. Evaluation of readiness for mechanical joint testing.
    • This general topic was already discussed (see above). To summarize, gravity compensation and the mechanical issue (which may in fact be software related) are the two pending items. The task list in the task manager tool was reviewed. This list will be updated as everything becomes resolved. We'll verify this list during the next meeting with Robb.
    • An immediate action item for Robb and Jason was added to make sure the approach for pressure equilibration and calibration is documented on the wiki.
  4. Decide immediate action items for the next meeting.
    • Action items were reviewed and agreed upon. See Immediate Action Items above.
  5. Other.
    • None noted.

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