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results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 5:16 am
by amini_opensim
Hey guys

I would like to obtain the muscle forces of scone results of deficits weakness (gs-pf-so) from the following paper
"Predicting gait adaptations due to ankle plantarflexor muscle weakness and contracture using physics-based musculoskeletal simulations"
https://simtk.org/frs/?group_id=1631

to do this, I have opened the osim model and run inverse dynamic tools by entering the motion.sto from the results folder. then plot the total muscle fiberforce through Tools>Plot.

the issue is that muscle force for gastroc muscle is not displayed:
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Do you know how to get the muscle forces of optimization scone result?

Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 5:22 am
by tgeijten
Hi Samane, this seems like a question for the OpenSim team. Please have a look at the OpenSim forum :)

Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 5:40 am
by amini_opensim
Hey Thomas

Ok sure. So do you think to have muscle force of scone result, I have to use only ID opensim? is there any way at scone?

Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 5:45 am
by tgeijten
If you run a SCONE simulation, the muscle force (along with many other parameters) will be available -- both in the 'Analysis Window' in SCONE as well as in the .sto file that is generated automatically. Check Tools -> Preferences -> Data to select the data that is exported.

To see it in action, simply evaluate one of the .scone scenarios from the Tutorials or Examples folder.

Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 6:02 am
by amini_opensim
thank you for fast replying.

I have done it. but a strange thing is the muscle forces range is less than 1. Are the forces scaled?
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Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Tue May 24, 2022 6:57 am
by tgeijten
Yes, these are normalized by max_isometric_force. If you want the total force (and other properties), go to Tools -> Preferences -> Data and check the box next to 'Output muscle properties'.

Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:34 am
by stalay
I have a similar question
If muscle forces are normalized by Max isometric forces, are the loads also normalized? Because I'm getting a back load of around 0.5 +- 0.2 for a normal gait cycle. I'm a bit confused as to what the unit is on the y axis.

Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:39 am
by tgeijten
Loads are normalized by body weight (i.e. divided by mass * g).

Re: results-deficits-weakness

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:47 pm
by stalay
tgeijten wrote:
Fri Jun 10, 2022 3:39 am
Loads are normalized by body weight (i.e. divided by mass * g).
Thanks!